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Poll: Big Dog Entrepreneurs
Poll: Do you have to be a "Big Dog" to start your own company.
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| Posted 5 months ago Brilliant stuff Larry "You can have everything... if you will just help enough other people." -Zig jack@pariseau-marketing.com
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| Posted 5 months ago A great boss is a great leader but a great leader could care less about being the boss. |
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| Posted 5 months ago
Sean
When leaders of a company make company decisions and make those decisions based on company values the majority of times the owner, boss, and manger will go along. However when decisions are made by those who are not leaders in that company and the decisions do not benefit the majority they become a problem. The good of one does not override the good of the whole. It is not a democracy with companies.
Leaders within the company are positioned to be taken seriously. I make decisions based on lowering my price to make a sale and I do this on a daily basis I am a foolish leader and must not be taken seriously. When this happens they are not a leader of the company and then the decisions they make must have approval.
A leader is not self appointed. They become a leader by hard work, leading the way and paving the way for those to take notice and follow. A leader will not undermine the establishment and cause chaos. A leader enhances the company and the process that they do business. They insert their feet into the company’s shoes.
Larry is absolutely one hundred percent correct with the statement out clients are the true bosses they hire and fire sales professionals daily. The sales professional answers to the client and in turn the sales professional answers to the one who writes their check. Many failures with the client boss, results in the employment boss firing the sales person.
A leader will not cause conflict .They resolve problems with a solution and calm heads brining peaceful measures forward with solid proof and solutions. Why would a true leader bump heads with the owner, manager that is a no win situation.
There are many types of leaders; office leader, sales leader, and warehouse leader, installation leader all working with a similar goal. Make the client happy.
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| Posted 5 months ago Rich, how do you expect me to comment when you take the words right out of my mouth. lol |
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| Posted 5 months ago I was making a point about leadership with my last statement, which of course was left wide open for interpretation. Clearly companies are not operated by the democratic process, and much could be argued the same for our government when it comes to lobbyists and special interest groups. In any event, is it not possible for a lower-ranking member (not self-appointed leader) to offer an idea, innovation, suggestion that would indeed "benefit the whole" yet have it shot down simply because the higher-ranking "boss" doesn't agree, or has a closed mind, or is too busy to bother, or worse yet doesn't like the individual making the suggestion? I couldn't agree more with Larry's position on clients being our true bosses. In this respect, I am focused on how to maintain and improve the quality of service for the client, not just to sustain a paycheck, but as a matter of integrity and ethics. I disagree that a leader will never create conflict. Invariably there are going to be those who disagree on any proposed issue or initiative. A leader has the courage to challenge and question authority, not simply to "butt heads", but as a matter of growth and innovation, for the individual as much as the whole. |
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| Posted 5 months ago I think I hear you Sean but the simple fact is that these type leaders - that you are describing - are more often very disruptive to the corporate zeitgeist or culture andfind themselves wondering how they were so misunderstood by management as they pack their box and head out the door. A afact of busines- get along and go along or move on. "You can have everything... if you will just help enough other people." -Zig jack@pariseau-marketing.com
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| Posted 5 months ago I concur Jack ;) |
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| Posted 5 months ago Conflict or discussion to change huge difference between creating conflict. I do not need or want conflict that person has to go. I wish my ideas would be accepted as being better. In my mind they are however sometimes the ideas have short time benefits and do not fit the commitment of the company over the long term. To bad that personalities do enter into the equation.Someone who creates conflict with my work I am less entertained to hear an idea from them no matter how good it is. We are always discussing how it is said compared to what is said. The staff aks questions and once I hear what was said I can change that into a better way of saying that same concept.What are you freaking stupid that you do not want this? Mr. Client can you see where this benefits you and provides the solution you have been waiting for. The time is now to grow and learn as much as possible. Take action and responsibility for your actions
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| Posted 5 months ago We all have models of how we view the world, which of course is a projection of how we view yourselves, and the models are framed by our values, fastened by experiences. Anytime we encounter data that does not fit or compliment our model we experience "cognitive dissonance" which is generally stressful and often leads to conflict. However, as none of us are infallible we operate from imperfect and incomplete, albeit functional models; therefore, cognitive dissonance is inevitable. Whether the incoming data is an interaction with a co-worker, family member, something blasting at us from the increasingly sundry world of multi-media or even the neighbor's dog leaving a pile of it's affection on the front lawn, conflict holds the potential for evolution. In short, conflict isn't inherently "bad." |
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| Posted 5 months ago You make a good point ,however it depends on the perspective. The dog who leaves the pile has no conflict. The eco system has no conflict. The person who steps in it has conflict,the persons yard that the pile suddenly arrives has conflict and again the emotional response is not inherently good. The situation we are discussing is neither the dog or the eco system it deals with the work place and that enviroment. From the conversation in print it appears that there is unresolved conflict and has a negative impact ,and that does not make it inherently good.Yes you can take this conflict and make it better by changing jobs,working out the problems with management and doing away with the stress. Forget the reason the stress has appeared. What counts is how it is handled. It sounds like you enjoy what you do with your clients.How is this good for the clients?Negative impact equals not good. Changing jobs equals not good ,not bad a wait and see approach. The time is now to grow and learn as much as possible. Take action and responsibility for your actions
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| Posted 5 months ago The dog analogy was for emphasis, not necessarily a valid supporting piece of evidence for the model theory. I'm not currently in a state of conflict at my job, but there has been cognitive dissonance on more than one occassion. In one instance, I had the balls to address something that management lacks, yet I was out of line (in the heirarchy). In another instance, I prepared (on my own time) a 3 page detailed proposal to implement what I believed to be optimizations in our admissions process that would improve our results while increasing the value of our service. Following the proposal I was told that I need to "earn my stripes" before they'd entertain any of my ideas- which were inspired upon working closely in a mentoring capacity with an industry expert prior to coming aboard. So I sucked it up and proceeded to lead in FTE (sales) for 2 of the next 3 starts, but what I got was an "attaboy" rather than stripes. I'm not some young kid fresh out of college. I've been around the block a bunch and have learned a great deal from the school of hard knocks, although I do hold a bachelor degree as well. In 20/20 hindsight, I realize that it may have served me better to put up some numbers then submit the proposal, but I've been prone to being driven by passion and enthusiasm, not entirely undesireable attributes. But now I've toned it down, yet clearly I do not have management viewing me favorably, other than as a worker bee perhaps and I'm capable of much greater things. Onward I roam, greater than I had been yesterday... |
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| Posted 5 months ago Well ok then, if there is no conflict there is nothing to see and we can move on. However it was usedyour dog ananlogy to show when someone does not see conflict ,looking at it from a different perspective we find conflict. cause and effect. Sean you say there is no conflict. I see it in the writing there is spite,disdain,not happy,frustrated,lack of respect, I feel your pain and understand. I would like to see you go where you are appreciated and valued at what you can do for the client and company.It appears you are being wasted at the position you currently hold. You are too talented to waste your time and efforts.Passion an enthusiam are wonderful attributes no one is arguing that. Actually no one is arguing.If you choose to stay you have a long road to haul receiving the admiration of management.One that has been in your shoes informing management that the practices they have practiced for years sucks and here is a model for success and that they should follow for success, gets you no where fast. Management must change before you become part of the establishment. It is not right but it is fact. The time is now to grow and learn as much as possible. Take action and responsibility for your actions
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| Posted 5 months ago this puppy is growing up to become a Big Dog ;) |
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| Posted 5 months ago Getting back to the Big Dog as an entrepreneur, your new enterprise won't even get close to getting off the ground without the "Big Dog" philosophy! Someone's gotta take the lead get everything going in the right direction, at the right speed, for the right reasons! Get a FREE copy of my book, "HOW TO GET SOMEONE TO BUY SOMETHING: Fear and Loathing of Cold Calls and Closing" at: http://onelittlebook.com/downloads/BUY_SOMETHING.pdf |
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| Posted 5 months ago what exactly is the "Big Dog" philosophy? |
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| Posted 5 months ago The "Big Dogs" lead the pack. By definition, the Big Dog is a leader and protects the group. He/She is someone others naturally look to for direction, speed and results. Get a FREE copy of my book, "HOW TO GET SOMEONE TO BUY SOMETHING: Fear and Loathing of Cold Calls and Closing" at: http://onelittlebook.com/downloads/BUY_SOMETHING.pdf |
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| Posted 5 months ago ok so this big dog is not necessarily a manager or executive but could be anyone within an organization who beholds innate leadership qualities? My cousin and I were discussing this over the weekend as we both ponder enrolling into graduate school for a MBA. He has advanced to a supervisor role within a very large bank and wants to continue advancement. He was a emphatic about his point that you are either born a leader or not declaring that he and I are both natural born leaders. Then we get back to the clicke "lead by example" and the million dollar question "What example?" |
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| Posted 4 months ago no. in fact you don't have to be a dog at all. active on SalesHQ since July, 2009
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| Posted 4 months ago open invitation to all you entrepreneurial types out there:
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| Posted 4 months ago I think that if you are not a Big Dog... You better darn well smell like one. How else will you achieve the respect and loyalty of the individuals that are more intelligent than you? My answer is absolutely YES, you must be a Big Dog or atleast acting as if. |
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| Posted 4 months ago so in other words you have to intimidate the more intelligent members of the organization in order that they will kowtow to the big dog? |
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| Posted 4 months ago Inspira. have you ever read the book VITO? I think every other sales guru also speaks the same concerning talking to clients. When a client believes thatt you are a big dog it is easier for them to own from you. Walk like you own the company,talk like you own the company,deliver like you own the company. I believe that is what doubler's message is. I understand and agree with that philosphy. The time is now to grow and learn as much as possible. Take action and responsibility for your actions
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| Posted 4 months ago yeah definitely walk the walk! |
