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Based on the limited info you provided...................

Force the new company to exceed your current income at hire. You are a sales and mktg manager now, what would you be at the new company.

Make money & have fun does indeed sound cheesy and to me suspicious.

In your own analysis you use the word "might" too ofte, except for the fact that it will talke at least a year to reach your current levewl

stay where you are for another year to improve your resume for futures

 Why not use the ben franklin close on yourself. This time make three colums. Opportunity one is existing job, two the new job. three where you will be with the new company in 2 years time. What are the pros and cons of each?

  Is there a ceiling with company 2 ? It is stated that there is a ceiling with job 1

 Job satisfaction how is it with  job 1?

 Stability with either company?

 Do you play it safe or a risk taker?

 You have job one and getting the same dollars with job 2 sounds like a great risk to take.It informs you how much they want you.However be prepared to start day one busting balls to the walls. You will receive less time to adjust.

 You have to choose what is best for you and your family. Best of luck in your choice.

It was like once they got what they wanted (which was cleaning out another bank with followers) they didn't need me anymore.

Different field, so not really relevant here.

Why did they take so long to get back to you? 

It was understood at the time of my previous interview that they didn't have a specific job, but that they liked me and knew something would be coming up before long. Their management philosophy is when you see a good candidate, get them in, and figure out what they should be doing later. Based on the mgmt teaching of Jim Collins from "Good to Great."

Explain to the new company that you had applied before your got your promotion and you would not have the integrity you strive for if you were to leave after just taking this new position.

That's assuming I don't want the new job. I'm not looking for advice on how to inform the new employer I'm not leaving, I'm looking for input on what decision to make.

Force the new company to exceed your current income at hire. You are a sales and mktg manager now, what would you be at the new company.

I would be an Account Executive at new job. Important to note that the field I would be entering is a whole different level of sales than what I'm doing now. AE at this new job would be more impressive on the resume to most companies than Sales Mgr where I am now, IMO.

Make money & have fun does indeed sound cheesy and to me suspicious.

I meant the mission statement to be a positive. The company is legit, I'd ask you to just take my word for that part as I'm not asking for advice on company viability.

 Why not use the ben franklin close on yourself. This time make three colums

Thank you, THAT was good advice.

Deal, I forgot to add, try to negoiatie your compensation, and at least get it to where you are. You have added value since coming to current position

Deal, I am also baseing all my thoughts and comments on this  BASED ON YOU KNOWING and this company ,AND counting on you having done your homework about them!  Make sure this is not just BS and a "pipe dream". 

I trust you have researched it all before presenting the question!

You have a personal responsibility to have verified any and all claims made to you by them..

Also, depending on the level of your position, there are EC's. 

Well Deal it seems to me from the type of response you gave mid thread (you were handling objections) that you had already decided to go with the "Big League".  What other choice could you make? You perceive the current job as dead ended plus you were already interviewing B4 the promo to sales/mktg mgr.

I agree with HiringExpert that you should negotiate your comp to get closer to where you are today, don't players make more when they go from AAA to the majors? If the new "manager" wants you and also knows you wanted to join but were a bit hesitant due to the pay cut he might sweeten the offer.

It's not only about the money..........  if it makes you feel better about yourself............ Go for it and don't look back.

I had guessed you were young (i'm not). Don't agonize too much.

It would be interesting (to me) to understand what is or what makes a company "Big League" these days. Most of my salescareer was spent at what most might perceive as being "Big League" Companies such as ATT,Siemens,Lucent,WorldCom. I have also worked at much smaller companies most have never heard of. There are plusses and minuses to each experience. One of the best was with a smaller company where sales reps were treated like royalty and paid very well for producing (till it's unfortunate demise due to market changes).

A companies vision is so important. Siemens dropped telecom in usa as they could not compete, worldcom cooked the books, lucent is struggling good luck hope the new place has the right vision, flexibility and adaptibility for a long career

obrudder says ...

I had guessed you were young (i'm not). Don't agonize too much.

It would be interesting (to me) to understand what is or what makes a company "Big League" these days. Most of my salescareer was spent at what most might perceive as being "Big League" Companies such as ATT,Siemens,Lucent,WorldCom. I have also worked at much smaller companies most have never heard of. There are plusses and minuses to each experience. One of the best was with a smaller company where sales reps were treated like royalty and paid very well for producing (till it's unfortunate demise due to market changes).

A companies vision is so important. Siemens dropped telecom in usa as they could not compete, worldcom cooked the books, lucent is struggling good luck hope the new place has the right vision, flexibility and adaptibility for a long career

Here is one primary difference. At the small business, I feel like, as a professional, I'm in a category by myself. I manage a small sales team and am part of sales strategy for four other linked businesses, so I'm not the only salesperson around. But I feel like the only one like me. This company is stifled by the inability to attract people who will commit to making the company great. It is a good enough kind of place. That said, there is a level of challenge in me being the catalyst for changing it to closer to great, and if for any reason the new job doesn't meet my demands and I stay with the smaller company, that is how I will approach things. I am in a high-ranking enough position that I think I can have a positive impact in that sense. But I know where it ends; I know that I cannot change the core attitude of the personnel, without changing the personnel themselves (and I only have the power to chage a few of those).

dealmaker883 says ...

That last paragraph made me sound a bit tyrannical---instead of me posting 4000 words to explain myself, I'd ask you to take my word for it that I'm committed to the company-first and respect others good ideas as much as I my own.

Well, sounds like you are doing everything right... 3 adancements is all fine and dandy but once you have concluded that your pace is faster than the company wan'ts to keep up with, than, you know the right decision to make.

Danm right,rock the boat... your in it, and you want to see how sound it is... this is your carreer on the line and you should be able to talk to the top guy about your concerns. ask him if he want's to grow? some guys are happy with the way they are so, if he's willing, than you can help him and if he's not, than he will surely understand your ambition. if he has any spunk at all, he will surely want to hear your plan... if your plan is good, he may let you run with it.

Gold, good advice! Once he is comfortable that letting his current employer know there is an offer, he can throw everything at them. He owes it to himself to do so, if he is serious about leaving.  However, he needs to be prepared that should he let his employer know he is considering a different company, the employer may let him go, or even if he keeps him, may wonder when the next ball will drop!

It is sounding like you need a small push to go after the new job. Go get it and start stretching yourself.

Thanks for all the tips so far. The new company really wants me, and they made that clear today in my conversation with the COO. I'm leaning towards it. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Hey Deal good luck with the new job!!!

I was given this advice by an old crusty salesman that was selling something for over 50 years.

Are you going to lose in the short run?

Are you going to better your income in the long run?

Is this transition going to be better for your family?

Most of all... will you be happy?  Happiness makes it better from the very beginning!

dealmaker883 says ...

I am a Sales and Marketing Manager for a small (50-employee) business. I am third-ranking employee, plenty of responsibility, good income, and I know I'm really good at it so every month I have a good idea what I'm making. There is a ceiling in terms of what I can accomplish, and I know eventually I am going to look for a new opportunity. I was promoted to this job two months ago after 16 months as a salesman for the company.

After two months of being Sales Manager, one of the other companies I interviewed with before I got promoted called me to offer me a job. It's an awesome company with great solutions, a great office vibe, and an impressive track record. Their mission statement is "To Make Money and Have Fun." If that makes them sound like cheesy telemarketers, believe me they are not. The management team took their last company public. This would be a jump from Class AAA to the big leagues (for those of you who know baseball). Over 12 months, the income might even out, but I would not make as much right away. However, in year 2 I might double my income. There is also the risk that I'm not as good at this as I was at my previous gig and I lose it all, having potentially burned the bridge with my previous company for leaving too early.

Toughest career decision of my life. Thought, advice?

Hi my thoughts are this: 1) Where do you think you would be the happiest? Income, hiwever important, should not be the final decision factor. At the end of the day, when the meetings are concluded, prospects all contacted, deadlines all met, whatever whtever, you have to look into that mirror and say is that who I like?

2) As far as losing it all, I say nothing venture, nothing gained. I look at this way, I was looking for a job when I got this one, and so what if I blew it look what I experienced.

 

Hope this helps, and Lord Bless you

Jim

ok, Gold!    The point  is, when someone does what they love, it does not USUALLY feel like a JOB any longer.  Therefore, they TEND to do it BETTER, thereby EARNING the MONEY that THEY find THEY  DESIRE.  Of Course, NOT all jobs, hobbies, businesses, etc. pay  well, however OFTEN,  when someone does what they love, they  DO IT WELL meaning they.are usually producing and performing better, .  And it does not feel like work to them, they don't see it as a J O B, .they tend to not watch or pay as much attention to the clock, like in a job they may not care for.  This means they MIGHT put in more time than a   J O B.  And, if they put in more time, doing what they love, producing more, perfroming better, they might make money.

Often, but not always. doing what we love, leads to more contentment , creating some happiness,  BUT NOT ALWAYS.  I believe if more people did what they loved, they would be happier and would make the money they need or want..  Sorry I failed to explain it better. Often, but not always, quotes or saying are just short little blurbs with possibly different interpretations.  I guess they could be explained better, but then they would not be short little quotes, or would they lol.  Gold. I will attempt to be more specific with my words. :)

Also, this is certainly not an original idea. :)